>> no, i can't take names, but many are trying to escape and go into places like yemen, somalia-- whatever. other places. because pakistan is no longer considered to be a safe place for them. >> rose: this is general petraeus on this program several weeks ago, talking about north wazirstan. here it is. >> they have been in north wazirstan. there's a little bit of popular misperception that they have not conducted operations. they have conducted operations and they've conditioned. they have not done a clearance operation. they're not going to do what they call-- they explicitly ruled out a steamroller operation, and certainly they can't do it until they consolidate some of the gains. they've done a lot. thief taken significant losses, frankly, the military, and the civilian population, too. and what they need to do is do some transition. remember, it's clear, transition and they need to do some transfer. they're working on that? >> rose: that's general petraeus. >> that's recognition of our effort. >> rose: but with respect to north wazirks rstan, do you expect to see the kind of operation